Stephen Colbert the Unlikely Apologist
"If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck and raises the dead like a duck, it probably is a duck."
Bart Ehrman, New Testament Scholar and Textual Critic, has published a new book entitled Jesus Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions of the Bible (and Why We Don't Know About Them). It contains no really new data, but instead apples-to-oranges comparisons based on poor hermeneutics and flawed presuppositions. In any case, it's popped on my radar a number of times today, so I thought I would blog about it.
My buddy George posted this video on his blog, and I noticed that Dr. Albert Mohler also posted a response and some brief analysis on his blog. So I decided to bring them both together here, for your enjoyment.
First the ridiculous...
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Actually, I'm a quite a fan of Ehrman, I don't agree with him on everything, but I think to group him with Marcus Borg and John Dominic Crossan is quite unfair. To disagree with Ehrman on his basic view of the Bible is one thing, but to compare or put him in the same category of the Jesus Seminar "gurus" just seems patently slanderous to me.
Rather than attack a scholar, why not do a little experiment: Look at the end of Luke's gospel and consider that the Ascension of the Lord took place, according to Luke, on the same day as the Resurrection. Then, look for the Ascension in Acts, which should be considered as volume 2 of Luke's gospel. In Acts, the Ascension happens forty days after Easter. So, which is right? Could it be that there is something underlying the true of these two volumes that is greater than superficial historical accuracy?
It's time to consider being fed on 'meat' rather than 'milk'. ;-)
George, I don't really follow your logic. Just to clear things up I didn't post the anonymous comment, and maybe the anonymous person has particular reasons, like for instance, they may not have a Google or Blogger account, which I do by the way. Also people post anonymously all the time on things, does that mean they are ashamed of their beliefs or don't really believe what they are saying. That is assuming a lot and is kind of unfair. Maybe the person is someone of note and they don't want to be harassed by those who disagree with them, which is one of the many reasons I've posted anonymously or with a screen name on many blogs and sites. I don't think what the anonymous person said either is that unreasonable. Instead of engaging in ad hominem attacks, maybe we should investigate what Ehrman's saying about the passages and see if there is any merit. If you don't agree with him in the end then that's completely okay, but to make assumptions about Ehrman or this anonymous person without investigation or knowing the anonymous person seems massively counterproductive.
Matthew: I think you're misreading the article. The implication is not that Ehrman=Jesus Seminar, but that in the case of all of these, certainly to different extremes and in different ways, this modern textual critical method begins from presuppositions that lead to the rejection of Scripture as revelation from God. All of those mentioned think of Scripture in these terms, and their conclusions tend to lead to further and further diminishing of the primacy of Scripture. This is true of all of them, and I will say that from what little I have read of each of these guys, their hermeneutic and literary presuppositions cause them to make a number of errors just in reading the basic meaning of the text. They’re not all the same in their conclusions, but they all basically start from the same place and utilize the same historical-critical methods.
Anonymous: I am not sure where the implicit argument is here. Certainly I see where you are coming from, but there's definitely not an open and shut case here for a "contradiction." In fact, there’s not really one at all, unless you really want it. There are numerous examples of passages of time in texts that are barely noted or not even referenced at all in the New Testament. Paul often preaches in one area or another for an extended period of time based on the historical data, but the text may summarize his ministry very briefly. Furthermore, Luke was the author of both, so unless you're holding to a different understanding of authorship, it doesn't seem problematic at all that Luke would focus on different aspects of the time between the resurrection and ascension, and thus the "contradiction." Luke and Acts take different approaches and deal with different ideas, so it makes sense that he wrote about the same event in two different ways, emphasizing different aspects. The church has always viewed these accounts as complimentary, and I don’t see any reason why they are clearly contradictory. There's no "meat" to feed upon if the revelation of God is as error-filled as Ehrman alleges.
As to the anonymous post, I did not have a google account and I didn't think it really mattered. However, look at the smoke screen that was built around that... the point I made was circumvented to talk about Spice Girls. What happened to the scholarship that would at least grab a bible and check out whether the Luke and Acts point was valid?
Has anyone checked on that? Found anything interesting there?
Now, as for Ehrman... how about reading something of his before making these wild claims about his scholarship? Or is someone's faith too shallow to read something from a world class scholar?
JonathanG:
Do you recall the story of the tortoise and the hare? Now, everyone knows that no such race ever took place, but there is a truth behind the 'story'. So it may be with some biblical 'stories'. Is a parable necessarily the historical record of an historical event or does the parable tell an underlying truth? Is it possible for the bible to include fables? The Jewish people consider the story of Job to be such a fable, yet it tells an underlying truth. I think maybe you can get the picture. Are you familiar with the various genres of literature contained in the bible? For instance, a "gospel" is a piece of "Good News", not an historical biography by an eye witness.
Why must everyone bash the spice girls?
Sincerely,
Ehrman Spice
"There's no "meat" to feed upon if the revelation of God is as error-filled as Ehrman alleges."
I think you are using a term that is inaccurate."Error-filled"? No, the discrepancies are differences in perception across the decades in which the gospels present theological development over time. Ehrman is not presenting biblical literature as "error-filled", but presenting a development. If one were to read his "The New Testament" this would be a non-issue. He's showing how theological premises evolved across the various books, and this is good information for any Christian since it gives a truer perspective on the early church.
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